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Imam jedno pitanje. Vec neko vrijeme vježbam, bez nekog programa, amaterski, da budem u formi. Mogu reci da sam manje više zadovoljan izgledom, ali ima jedan kritican dio koji se nikako ne razvija kako želim. Radi se o pectoralis major, odnosno o njegovom SREDNJEM GORNJEM dijelu.
Vježbe koje inace radim za prsa su sklekovi, razvlacenje na ravnoj i potisak na ravnoj. Ne primjecujem nekakav napredak u tom dijelu pa sam narucio MVP Pro Whey 3G + MVP Crecthyl u kapsulama i probat cu pojacati intenzitet.
Sad me zanima koje vježbe da uvedem a koje ce ciljano utjecati na taj srednji gornji dio prsnog koša jer pectoralis minor mi je znatno veci i jaci od srednjeg dijela. Inace sam š9š cm i 94 kg, 25 god.
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Suplementi nemaju veze s tim.

Za gornji dio prsa su sve vrste kosih i vertikalnih potisaka i razvlacenja! Znaci, kosi bench, kosi fly, military press i slicno
Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional.

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Nema na cemu ;)
Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional.

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Osim vježbica koje naglašavaju taj gornji dio, a koje je spomenuo Ily pripazi i na progresiju, bez toga ništa. I naravno, pretpostavljam da je prehrana ok  Wink


Originally posted by neonski24 neonski24 wrote:

pectoralis minor mi je znatno veci i jaci od srednjeg dijela. 


Misliš na to da ti je donji dio pectoralis majora znatno jaci od gornjeg? Minor je ispod majora i zapravo ne postoji srednji dio što se anatomskog gledišta tice ;)

Možeš recimo probat ovu komb.:  potisak šipkom ili bucicama (možda bolje šipkom jer možeš vecu težinu stavit) kao vježbu kojom pogađaš cijeli pectoralis + kosi potisak + fly (možeš i kosi). Zapravo ovisi o treningu, ne znam kakav ti je raspored..samo pazi da ti kod kosog ramena ne uzmu veci dio posla.....naravno, ovo je samo jedna od varijanti koje se trenutno sjetih :)...


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Misliš na to da ti je donji dio pectoralis majora znatno jaci od gornjeg? Minor je ispod majora i zapravo ne postoji srednji dio što se anatomskog gledišta tice ;)



Da, to sam mislio.. taj unutarnji gornji majora je slabiji. A nisam položio anatomiju pa nisam bio precizan ;)


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A nisam položio anatomiju pa nisam bio precizan ;)


Nisam ni ja T&#ššš;ngueWink


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Originally posted by neonski24 neonski24 wrote:

Originally posted by Gym_girl Gym_girl wrote:



Misliš na to da ti je donji dio pectoralis majora znatno jaci od gornjeg? Minor je ispod majora i zapravo ne postoji srednji dio što se anatomskog gledišta tice ;)



Da, to sam mislio.. taj unutarnji gornji majora je slabiji. A nisam položio anatomiju pa nisam bio precizan ;)


Jedino šta ce ti pomoc u tom problemu je nabacivanje mesa na prsa i progresija na bencu kak ti Đimka veli. Hoceš ti radit ravni, kosi benc, potiske bucicama na ravnoj il kosoj klupi, ista stvar, potisak ko potisak, svaki pogađa KOMPLETNA prsa.
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A da.. bez nabacivanja mase, nece se popunit taj dio.. 
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Ma možda mu sve to štima, možda bi samo trebao malo frekventnost treninga povecat....neki super reagiraju kad ubace recimo bar 2 put tjedno zaostalu mišinu skupinu ako su je inace stalno trenirali jednom....neki odlicno reagiraju kad ih razbiju šx tjedno, a nekima bolje odgovara više...
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Military press je vjezba za ramena i ona uzmu vecinu tog pokreta tako da ga nemoj raditi za gornja prsa jer nema smisla...
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Originally posted by Claric Claric wrote:

Military press je vjezba za ramena i ona uzmu vecinu tog pokreta tako da ga nemoj raditi za gornja prsa jer nema smisla...


Hoceš reci da pectoralis nema nikakvu ulogu u tom pokretu?
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Originally posted by Gym_girl Gym_girl wrote:

Originally posted by Claric Claric wrote:

Military press je vjezba za ramena i ona uzmu vecinu tog pokreta tako da ga nemoj raditi za gornja prsa jer nema smisla...


Hoceš reci da pectoralis nema nikakvu ulogu u tom pokretu?


nije to rekao, vec da vježba puno više koristi druge mišice...
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aha, a ti si odvjetnik? T&#šš1;ngueWink

A koje to mišice puno više koristi, a koje puno manje? Claric nije doslovno rekao da pec. nema nikakvu ulogu, istina ali otkud da ja znam da on to ne misli? Wink Samo je rekao da ramena uzmu vecinu tog pokreta iz cega ja ne vidim što uzima drugi dio pokreta....a mene baš to zanima :)

btw. nitko nije rekao da netko dođe na trening prsa i odradi samo millitary, TO nema smisla.....
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da, jako skup odvjetnik :D

pa ramena i triceps su tu glavni (uz stabilizatore trupa)

ne bi ni radio m.p. na danu za prsa (ili danu za bench ako vježbate za snagu)...
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Originally posted by mickey mickey wrote:


pa ramena i triceps su tu glavni (uz stabilizatore trupa)


je li triceps glavni ili ima neku drugu ulogu? .....ajmo ispocetka Big smile Ima li pectoralis ikakvu ulogu, i ako da, koju i koji dio pectoralisa :)


Originally posted by mickey mickey wrote:


ne bi ni radio m.p. na danu za prsa (ili danu za bench ako vježbate za snagu)...


Zašto?
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